DSO
Just Say No To The DSO
Last episode 15 August 2026. Still going.
Dentistry is experiencing an attack by well-funded corporations who want to own the work of each dentist’s hands. While the promises of wealth and ease DSO’s present to owner-dentists appear enticing, experience shows the reality is very different. Just Say No to the DSO is a deep dive podcast for dentists in all stages of their career. It is especially for those who are looking at whether or not the option to sell to a DSO is the right choice. Our expert hosts, Bob Spiel, MBA and Nate Williams, CPA, CFP take listeners on a step by step journey through Season One laying out the realities of selling a practice to a DSO and why this isn't as good as it sounds, or the only option for successful dentists to have a thriving practice. Come and listen for the years of experience inside dentistry, as well as medicine, that have led to their logical arguments and stay for additional audience and listener feedback.<br />Questions you’d like addressed live in future episodes can be sent to: <a href=" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">questions@justsaynotothedso.com</a><br /><br />Let's start the discussion on how to save the future of the Dental Industry.
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Episodes
- —Two Sides of the Issue with Dr. Whitney Weiner15 August 2026 · 57:26
- —Clawing His Way Back Out with Dr. Brad Langley1 August 2026 · 53:03
- —Sticking To Your Principles with Dr. Stephanie Klasner27 July 2026 · 56:00
- —Tumbling Down In a Pile of Lawsuits with Dr Mike Davis6 July 2026 · 24:26
- —Did We Mention a House of Cards? with Dr Mike Davis3 July 2026 · 51:15
- —A Listener Case Study on Selling Your Practice18 June 2026 · 32:03
- —It All Starts Right Here with Dr. Brendan Gallagher3 June 2026 · 1:02:54
- —Now, The DSO Will Make Your Equity...Disappear12 May 2026 · 25:33
- —Sometimes It Pays To Listen To Your Better Half with Dr Mike Crockett Part 21 May 2026 · 44:07
- —Sometimes It Pays To Listen To Your Better Half with Dr Mike Crockett Part 11 May 2026 · 45:09
- —Unmasking the DSO Deal: What Every Dentist Must Know19 April 2026 · 36:00
- —A Smooth Voice From the South With Dr Travis Nixon14 April 2026 · 56:12
- —Who Works For Who? 6 DSO Tricks Most Dentists Don't See27 March 2026 · 25:48
- —Sage Wisdom is Hard to Come By These Days with Dr. Michael W. Davis25 March 2026 · 1:10:44
- —Away Game with the Orthodontic Pearls Podcast and Nate Williams17 March 2026 · 1:27:58
- —The Emperor Has No Clothes12 March 2026 · 33:36
- —Right Up to the Edge and Back with Dr. Joe Feller28 February 2026 · 1:19:12
- —When Your Reputation Precedes You with Jonathan Martin18 February 2026 · 44:04
- —A Conversation With The Dental Banker Bob Affleck5 February 2026 · 1:06:09 · Bob Affleck
- —Right Up to the Edge and Back with Dr. Blake Maxfield14 January 2026 · 1:05:19
- —The Great Disappearing Trick: DSO Equity7 January 2026 · 22:51
- —When Are You The Partner...Or The One Being Taken Advantage Of With Dr. Maksim Montatskiy10 December 2025 · 40:17
- —Too Big to Sell: Myth vs Reality15 November 2025 · 25:55
- —Practice Transition Advice with Dan and Aaron Lewis30 October 2025 · 1:13:27
- —A Very Important Math Lesson17 October 2025 · 28:01
- —Season 4 Episode 6 - Listener Question: Practice Transition Walkthrough7 September 2025 · 21:54
- —Season 4 Episode 5 - The Art of Transitioning Your Dental Practice25 August 2025 · 22:22
- —Season 4 Episode 4 - Embracing Uncertainty: The Reality of Dental Practice Transitions16 August 2025 · 34:23
- —Special Episode - You Are The Brand with Steven J Anderson8 August 2025 · 53:36 · Steven J. Anderson
- —Season 4 Episode 3 - The Risks of Selling Your Practice2 August 2025 · 23:36
- —Season 4 Episode 2 - The DSO Dilemma: A Cautionary Tale21 July 2025 · 28:52
- —Season 4 Episode 1 - Navigating the Dental Landscape: Ownership vs. DSO16 July 2025 · 29:43
- —Season 3 Episode 16 - Away Interview With Gary Bird30 June 2025 · 1:32:13 · Gary Bird
- —Season 3 Episode 15 - Dr Lou Berman Interview20 June 2025 · 43:22
- —Season 3 Episode 14 - Dr Mila and Daniel Cohen Interview16 June 2025 · 41:14
- —Season 3 Episode 13 - Dr Jill Tanzi and Dr Kristine Grazioso Interview26 May 2025 · 36:04
- —Season 3 Episode 12 - Dr Eric Block Interview14 May 2025 · 25:28 · Eric Block
- —Season 3 Episode 11 - Dr. Robert M McNamara Interview21 April 2025 · 53:31
- —Season 3 Episode 10 - Jason Wood is Back Part 26 April 2025 · 47:55
- —Season 3 Episode 10 - Jason Wood is Back Part 16 April 2025 · 45:04
- —Season 3 Episode 9 - Dr Aaron Swapp from Swapp Orthodontics Part 217 March 2025 · 55:40
- —Season 3 Episode 8 - Dr Aaron Swapp from Swapp Orthodontics Part 117 March 2025 · 52:42
- —Season 3 Episode 7 - Scott Haley From Premier Orthodontics Practices Interview7 March 2025 · 1:11:30
- —Season 3 Episode 6 - John Van Leeuwen Interview28 February 2025 · 1:11:59
- —Season 3 Episode 5 - Jason Wood Interview Part 221 February 2025 · 1:00:48
- —Season 3 Episode 4 - Jason Wood Interview Part 121 February 2025 · 48:09
- —Season 3 Episode 3 - DSO Deal Case Study17 February 2025 · 44:33
- —Season 3 Episode 2 - The Response to the Chip Fichtner Interview20 January 2025 · 1:03:38
- —Season 3 Episode 1 - Interview with Chip Fichtner20 January 2025 · 1:26:36
- —Season 2 Episode 9 - Who is Looking Out for You?15 July 2024 · 29:22
- —Season 2 Episode 8 - A Summary of Season 26 July 2024 · 23:44
- —Season 2 Episode 7 - Just Say No to DSO: Analyzing Common Sales Pitches14 June 2024 · 23:37
- —Season 2 Episode 6 - DSO Contract “Gotcha’s”29 May 2024 · 20:48
- —Season 2 Episode 5 - The Truth about DSO Ownership Equity16 May 2024 · 32:50
- —Season 2 Episode 4 - Do DSOs Actually Overpay (Part 2)8 May 2024 · 38:06
- —Season 2 Episode 3 - Do DSOs Actually Overpay for Practices?26 April 2024 · 24:58
- —Season 2 Episode 2 - What is EBITDA, and Why do DSO’s Lean On It for Practice Purchases?16 April 2024 · 21:06
- —Season 2 Episode 1 - Are we still convinced to Just Say No to the DSO9 April 2024 · 29:31
- —Episode 7 – Season 1 Wrap Up and FAQs13 September 2023 · 52:39
- —Episode 6 – The DSO Gold Rush: All that Glitters…13 September 2023 · 39:32
- —Episode 5 – The Medical Mess: Are DSO’s Pulling Dentistry into the Same Swamp?13 September 2023 · 42:14
- —Episode 4 – The Make-Up of a DSO Offer: “Caveat Venditor”13 September 2023 · 41:36
- —Episode 3 – Wealth and DSO Tactics: What You Don’t Know Will Hurt You7 September 2023 · 54:12
- —Episode 2 – Why Dentists Should Not Sell to a DSO7 September 2023 · 35:32
- —Episode 1 – What Is “Just Say No to the DSO”?7 September 2023 · 24:39
- —Welcome to Just Say No To The DSO23 August 2023 · 3:39
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